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	<title>Comments on: Traditional PR is Broken (vol 2): The Online PR Bullet List</title>
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		<title>By: Roger, Online PR Agency, C&#38;M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger, Online PR Agency, C&#38;M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Dierdre.... advice would be to do both, since they can probably afford it!  

for these guys there are different types of budget decisions to be made since they&#039;re dealing with a marketing &#039;portfolio&#039;.  but there&#039;s great value in doing both at this end of the scale - they just need to be sure of the value of online PR.  and you mention some really good reasons for mega-brands to do it.... 

culture change and associated costs to my mind depend on the scale / ambition of the work and which parts of the biz it touches.  great online firms live and breath it.  to start experimenting you don&#039;t need to change everything up... to become an all star might cost money though if the firm isn&#039;t already geared to marketing this way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Dierdre&#8230;. advice would be to do both, since they can probably afford it!  </p>
<p>for these guys there are different types of budget decisions to be made since they&#8217;re dealing with a marketing &#8216;portfolio&#8217;.  but there&#8217;s great value in doing both at this end of the scale &#8211; they just need to be sure of the value of online PR.  and you mention some really good reasons for mega-brands to do it&#8230;. </p>
<p>culture change and associated costs to my mind depend on the scale / ambition of the work and which parts of the biz it touches.  great online firms live and breath it.  to start experimenting you don&#8217;t need to change everything up&#8230; to become an all star might cost money though if the firm isn&#8217;t already geared to marketing this way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Molloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers, thanks for clarifying Roger! Following through this line of thought, what would your advice be to large or &quot;superbrands&quot; then? If their trad PR is working well, why bother with online PR? (as demarcated from online marketing and advertising - which nearly all brands do).

Okay, maybe it won&#039;t cost as much as trad PR, and it may help them reach new audiences more adept at filtering-out advertising. But surely there is a hidden and unpredictable cost - the cost of changing the culture of a company so that it adapts to the requirements operating in the online PR and social media space, which clearly encompasses more than SEO...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers, thanks for clarifying Roger! Following through this line of thought, what would your advice be to large or &#8220;superbrands&#8221; then? If their trad PR is working well, why bother with online PR? (as demarcated from online marketing and advertising &#8211; which nearly all brands do).</p>
<p>Okay, maybe it won&#8217;t cost as much as trad PR, and it may help them reach new audiences more adept at filtering-out advertising. But surely there is a hidden and unpredictable cost &#8211; the cost of changing the culture of a company so that it adapts to the requirements operating in the online PR and social media space, which clearly encompasses more than <span class="caps">SEO</span>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Warner</title>
		<link>http://www.contentandmotion.co.uk/social-media-pr-blog/tradional-pr-is-broken-vol-2-the-online-pr-bullet-list/comment-page-1/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey deirdre.... yup - totally with you on trad/pr media scaling when done well.  i&#039;m a trad PR myself really.  my problem with it isn&#039;t that it can&#039;t scale, but that - for most firms - it takes a tonne of cash to make it so.... 

soooo - point i&#039;m generally making is - if you&#039;re not currently *dish du jour* and you don&#039;t have very deep pockets - then try getting results with online PR first.... this ought to drive interest, traffic and sales. and then when this is humming, go the trad PR route.  in other words, online PR is a better place to *start* building your brand platform....  (and online PR ought to be more than pure SEO tactics.... )

and thanks for the typo spot.  that one was a howler.  ouch!  :)

cheers

roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey deirdre&#8230;. yup &#8211; totally with you on trad/pr media scaling when done well.  i&#8217;m a trad PR myself really.  my problem with it isn&#8217;t that it can&#8217;t scale, but that &#8211; for most firms &#8211; it takes a tonne of cash to make it so&#8230;. </p>
<p>soooo &#8211; point i&#8217;m generally making is &#8211; if you&#8217;re not currently <strong>dish du jour</strong> and you don&#8217;t have very deep pockets &#8211; then try getting results with online PR first&#8230;. this ought to drive interest, traffic and sales. and then when this is humming, go the trad PR route.  in other words, online PR is a better place to <strong>start</strong> building your brand platform&#8230;.  (and online PR ought to be more than pure <span class="caps">SEO</span> tactics&#8230;. )</p>
<p>and thanks for the typo spot.  that one was a howler.  ouch!  <img src='http://www.contentandmotion.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>cheers</p>
<p>roger</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.contentandmotion.co.uk/social-media-pr-blog/tradional-pr-is-broken-vol-2-the-online-pr-bullet-list/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Deirdre Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece Roger. The scaling points are very important, as the time spent trying to get one or a handful of journalist&#039;s attention becomes a bottleneck / timesink, and carries great risks (if you fail). However you can&#039;t deny that getting coverage on mainstream TV / radio station / press - or in the right niche media - scales.

It&#039;s integration surely - getting the brand name, URL or specific page links in the coverage - then your SEO magic joins the dots for all those who follow-up online... surely that&#039;s the dream team? Broadcast-only or SEO-only are both missing something.

So am I imagining it or are you actually saying, by inference, that SEO *on its own* delivers greater ROI than other approaches *on their own*?

BTW, you&#039;ve got &#039;tradional&#039; instead of &#039;traditional&#039; in your headline - you could fix it but the URL stays the same, sheesh ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece Roger. The scaling points are very important, as the time spent trying to get one or a handful of journalist&#8217;s attention becomes a bottleneck / timesink, and carries great risks (if you fail). However you can&#8217;t deny that getting coverage on mainstream TV / radio station / press &#8211; or in the right niche media &#8211; scales.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s integration surely &#8211; getting the brand name, <span class="caps">URL</span> or specific page links in the coverage &#8211; then your <span class="caps">SEO</span> magic joins the dots for all those who follow-up online&#8230; surely that&#8217;s the dream team? Broadcast-only or SEO-only are both missing something.</p>
<p>So am I imagining it or are you actually saying, by inference, that <span class="caps">SEO</span> <strong>on its own</strong> delivers greater <span class="caps">ROI</span> than other approaches <strong>on their own</strong>?</p>
<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, you&#8217;ve got &#8216;tradional&#8217; instead of &#8216;traditional&#8217; in your headline &#8211; you could fix it but the <span class="caps">URL</span> stays the same, sheesh <img src='http://www.contentandmotion.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fredegre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredegre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting study material... Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting study material&#8230; Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Warner</title>
		<link>http://www.contentandmotion.co.uk/social-media-pr-blog/tradional-pr-is-broken-vol-2-the-online-pr-bullet-list/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Fredegre - thanks for the feedback. Yes, that&#039;s the general idea... create momentum online first... then go BIG.  Here&#039;s a good example: http://www.contentandmotion.com/our-work/online-pr-case-study-agency-for-non-windows-vista-social-club/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Fredegre &#8211; thanks for the feedback. Yes, that&#8217;s the general idea&#8230; create momentum online first&#8230; then go <span class="caps">BIG</span>.  Here&#8217;s a good example: <a href="http://www.contentandmotion.com/our-work/online-pr-case-study-agency-for-non-windows-vista-social-club/" rel="nofollow">http://www.contentandmotion.com/our-work/online-pr-case-study-agency-for-non-windows-vista-social-club/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fredegre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredegre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion between traditional and online PR needs to be well balanced, and your article serves that purpose finely. Shouts like &quot;Traditional PR is dead&quot; and &quot;Online PR is bullshit&quot; won&#039;t get us nowhere. Creating online momentum before launching more conventional tactics might be an interesing way to combine both. I would sure like to see some success stories on this approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion between traditional and online PR needs to be well balanced, and your article serves that purpose finely. Shouts like &#8220;Traditional PR is dead&#8221; and &#8220;Online PR is bullshit&#8221; won&#8217;t get us nowhere. Creating online momentum before launching more conventional tactics might be an interesing way to combine both. I would sure like to see some success stories on this approach.</p>
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